How are you going to enforce these rules when even now there are times we see 3-4 carts per group, and often no Medical Flags. There is no one out there Marshalling, and telling Starters is no help as they do not want to get involved.
Bryan Walus
9 months ago
Great rule. But like every other RCSCW rule, until there is an enforcement and consequences process attached, it is of little value. Are we going back to year around PAs who will have the authority and must have the backbone to dismiss violators? Or perhaps someone stationed on the first tee of each course to monitor compliance? Will this apply to the Men’s Clubs who seem to do whatever they want and our Pro Shop employees who are afraid to confront them?
Dan Fogarty
9 months ago
I have one comment I think is worth bringing up regarding two person carts. As you know, quite a few people are in the habit of smoking cigars or cigarettes while plying golf. The overwhelming majority of us who don’t smoke are bothered by smoke and certainly don’t want to share a cart with a smoker. I really don’t want to infringe on their right to smoke, but also don’t want to share a cart with them. Occasionally, on the executive courses, I will walk when paired up with one of them, but not on the regulation courses. That would leave us with the option of a using a third cart. It’s a harmless and common sense solution that should be in play. Can we do that?
I’m a retired construction professional with years of civil engineering projects, environmental impact reports, and many years working with developers including land use. I did some basic cart distance travel for a normally played 18 holes, regulation course studying both 2-player on cart and 4-players two carts compared to 1-player-1-cart, threesoms and foursomes. Data showed that overall single players, single cart actuall drove fewer overall yards per round than 2-player per carts.
Single players single carts always take the most reasonable path from tee to gree while two person carts are back and fourth chasing two balls.
So basically, I’d like to see you publish all of your empirical data and professional engineering studies to confirm your cart rider rules are truly factual and reduces wear on the courses.
Disability laws being ignored? What if someone is riding with a medical flag and has to leave suddenly leaving their passenger stranded? We will be looking into whether you are disregarding disability laws and plan to file a complaint with the state of AZ
Slow Down–How about retired individuals with a limited Immune system?? Again decisions made without very much research or thought.
Joe Sauer
9 months ago
I recently saw a golfer on a pedal bicycle with a golf bag weld-on attachment at Trail Ridge. Even the fat tire bicycles are only about one-fifth the width of a golf cart tire. These crates will ruin the courses. We need more specifications on what is allowable/forbidden. Also some of these 2 and 3 wheelers are not properly licensed to be on the roads.
Just look at the can of worms that has been opened. Again not much thought .
Eric Richardson
9 months ago
If the goal is to have a reduction of carts on the course, why are the following scenarios allowed?
Twosome, why is it ok to have one two person cart and one one person cart. Why isn’t the one person cart required to ride with the other golfer in the two person cart? This would eliminate one, one person cart.
Threesome, one two person cart and two one person carts. Why isn’t one of the golfers in the one person cart required to ride in the two person cart? This would eliminate one, one person cart.
Foursome, one two person cart and three one person carts. Why is one golfer in one of the one person carts not required to ride in the two person cart? This would eliminate one, one person cart.
I’m all for riding together. I think it’s part of playing with other golfers. I do it all the time. But, I also understand why individuals want or sometimes need to ride alone. Things like health issues, having to ride with smokers, etc. I play in a big group where one of the individuals can’t always play 18. There are legitimate reasons some golfers need to be allowed to ride alone. What I believe my three examples above show is how poorly this policy was thought out and put together. What comes across in this policy is that if you’ve invested in a single person cart, you never have to ride with anyone and are in no way part of the perceived problem, but if you’ve invested in a two person cart, you are required, without exception, to ride together, regardless of whether there is a real need.
I also agree with the comment above about publishing the study that was done, because I can tell you, as someone that plays at least 5 days a week, without question, when two individuals are in their own cart, by themselves, there is far less overall driving on the course, than when two individuals are in a single cart driving back and forth, up and down the fairway. I don’t really need a study to prove that to me, I see it every week.
David L Hunter
9 months ago
It seems we are missing the point here. There is a reason that one person carts have become so popular and Golf Operations needs to recognize that medical flag participants are not all physically handicapped. In my case my doctor has stipulated that my health issues require that I distance myself as much as possible from anyone that may possibly cause me a health problem. Physically, I have no problem playing the game, but I maintain that my golf cart should be considered a single golfer cart until okayed by my doctor. Otherwise I will be unable to participate in golfing events because of a rather unreasonable edict, not completely vetted before it has been implemented. Purchasing a single person cart in order to avoid the new rule does not make sense when I already have a perfectly good 2 person cart.
At last a person with some fore sight and intelligence.
Robert Gilbert
9 months ago
I assume 1&2 wheel carts are battery operated for a golfer to enjoy some walking w/o caring a heavy bag. The
issue concerning smoking occurs more often than many realize. These changes will need some adjustments for them to work. Most golfers enjoy riding in their own cart with the option to offer another golfer to join sharing the cart in the event the cart owner is reluctant this gets confusing. Attention to the various skill levels falls in here someplace. As these changes stated June 1 most modifications will certainly be in place prior to the winter season. Please keep information circulating.
I really don’t thing anyone is listening to these comments. We are wasting our time!!!
Mary
4 months ago
this golf cart option is the dumbest thing I have ever seen it is clear it as not
set up by golfers, the standard 2 person carts should always take priority, if there is a foursome and 3 use standard carts and one single golf cart the single should have to ride with two person cart or walk. These one person carts are adding more wheels and more abuse to courses.
How are you going to enforce these rules when even now there are times we see 3-4 carts per group, and often no Medical Flags. There is no one out there Marshalling, and telling Starters is no help as they do not want to get involved.
Great rule. But like every other RCSCW rule, until there is an enforcement and consequences process attached, it is of little value. Are we going back to year around PAs who will have the authority and must have the backbone to dismiss violators? Or perhaps someone stationed on the first tee of each course to monitor compliance? Will this apply to the Men’s Clubs who seem to do whatever they want and our Pro Shop employees who are afraid to confront them?
I have one comment I think is worth bringing up regarding two person carts. As you know, quite a few people are in the habit of smoking cigars or cigarettes while plying golf. The overwhelming majority of us who don’t smoke are bothered by smoke and certainly don’t want to share a cart with a smoker. I really don’t want to infringe on their right to smoke, but also don’t want to share a cart with them. Occasionally, on the executive courses, I will walk when paired up with one of them, but not on the regulation courses. That would leave us with the option of a using a third cart. It’s a harmless and common sense solution that should be in play. Can we do that?
YES-It well within your civil right.
I’m a retired construction professional with years of civil engineering projects, environmental impact reports, and many years working with developers including land use. I did some basic cart distance travel for a normally played 18 holes, regulation course studying both 2-player on cart and 4-players two carts compared to 1-player-1-cart, threesoms and foursomes. Data showed that overall single players, single cart actuall drove fewer overall yards per round than 2-player per carts.
Single players single carts always take the most reasonable path from tee to gree while two person carts are back and fourth chasing two balls.
So basically, I’d like to see you publish all of your empirical data and professional engineering studies to confirm your cart rider rules are truly factual and reduces wear on the courses.
Seems like a reasonable request.
Excellent discourse–It seems to be obvious that decisions are made without very much research.
You Must Have one!
Disability laws being ignored? What if someone is riding with a medical flag and has to leave suddenly leaving their passenger stranded? We will be looking into whether you are disregarding disability laws and plan to file a complaint with the state of AZ
Slow Down–How about retired individuals with a limited Immune system?? Again decisions made without very much research or thought.
I recently saw a golfer on a pedal bicycle with a golf bag weld-on attachment at Trail Ridge. Even the fat tire bicycles are only about one-fifth the width of a golf cart tire. These crates will ruin the courses. We need more specifications on what is allowable/forbidden. Also some of these 2 and 3 wheelers are not properly licensed to be on the roads.
Just look at the can of worms that has been opened. Again not much thought .
If the goal is to have a reduction of carts on the course, why are the following scenarios allowed?
Twosome, why is it ok to have one two person cart and one one person cart. Why isn’t the one person cart required to ride with the other golfer in the two person cart? This would eliminate one, one person cart.
Threesome, one two person cart and two one person carts. Why isn’t one of the golfers in the one person cart required to ride in the two person cart? This would eliminate one, one person cart.
Foursome, one two person cart and three one person carts. Why is one golfer in one of the one person carts not required to ride in the two person cart? This would eliminate one, one person cart.
I’m all for riding together. I think it’s part of playing with other golfers. I do it all the time. But, I also understand why individuals want or sometimes need to ride alone. Things like health issues, having to ride with smokers, etc. I play in a big group where one of the individuals can’t always play 18. There are legitimate reasons some golfers need to be allowed to ride alone. What I believe my three examples above show is how poorly this policy was thought out and put together. What comes across in this policy is that if you’ve invested in a single person cart, you never have to ride with anyone and are in no way part of the perceived problem, but if you’ve invested in a two person cart, you are required, without exception, to ride together, regardless of whether there is a real need.
I also agree with the comment above about publishing the study that was done, because I can tell you, as someone that plays at least 5 days a week, without question, when two individuals are in their own cart, by themselves, there is far less overall driving on the course, than when two individuals are in a single cart driving back and forth, up and down the fairway. I don’t really need a study to prove that to me, I see it every week.
It seems we are missing the point here. There is a reason that one person carts have become so popular and Golf Operations needs to recognize that medical flag participants are not all physically handicapped. In my case my doctor has stipulated that my health issues require that I distance myself as much as possible from anyone that may possibly cause me a health problem. Physically, I have no problem playing the game, but I maintain that my golf cart should be considered a single golfer cart until okayed by my doctor. Otherwise I will be unable to participate in golfing events because of a rather unreasonable edict, not completely vetted before it has been implemented. Purchasing a single person cart in order to avoid the new rule does not make sense when I already have a perfectly good 2 person cart.
At last a person with some fore sight and intelligence.
I assume 1&2 wheel carts are battery operated for a golfer to enjoy some walking w/o caring a heavy bag. The
issue concerning smoking occurs more often than many realize. These changes will need some adjustments for them to work. Most golfers enjoy riding in their own cart with the option to offer another golfer to join sharing the cart in the event the cart owner is reluctant this gets confusing. Attention to the various skill levels falls in here someplace. As these changes stated June 1 most modifications will certainly be in place prior to the winter season. Please keep information circulating.
I really don’t thing anyone is listening to these comments. We are wasting our time!!!
this golf cart option is the dumbest thing I have ever seen it is clear it as not
set up by golfers, the standard 2 person carts should always take priority, if there is a foursome and 3 use standard carts and one single golf cart the single should have to ride with two person cart or walk. These one person carts are adding more wheels and more abuse to courses.